There were a few people who posted comments at the end of the survey about the fact we should not charge for the results and that we should pay them for their time if we do. The reality is, it's only a 5-10 min survey and well,...we do pay you. We provide CGarchitect for FREE. That's not cheap to run, trust me. Also, putting together a comprehensive report that is worthy of sitting on a CEO's or manager's desk to justify your next raise will take about 40-60 hours of work. We can't work for free and need to make a living too so that's why we have to charge. It's a nominal fee that we thought was reasonable considering the value. Most salary survey's sell for MUCH more in other industries. Like $1000+ Thanks for your time and we'll be sure to put together a report that makes it worth your while. Submit Cancel

There were a few people who posted comments at the end of the survey about the fact we should not charge for the results and that we should pay them for their time if we do. The reality is, it's only a 5-10 min survey and well,...we do pay you. We provide CGarchitect for FREE. That's not cheap to run, trust me. Also, putting together a comprehensive report that is worthy of sitting on a CEO's or manager's desk to justify your next raise will take about 40-60 hours of work. We can't work for free and need to make a living too so that's why we have to charge. It's a nominal fee that we thought was reasonable considering the value. Most salary survey's sell for MUCH more in other industries. Like $1000+ Thanks for your time and we'll be sure to put together a report that makes it worth your while.

Well said Jeff, too often we take this excellent resource for granted, kudos to you and your team for continuing to progress this industry towards an even better place! Submit Cancel

Well said Jeff, too often we take this excellent resource for granted, kudos to you and your team for continuing to progress this industry towards an even better place!

To answer a few more questions posed about the survey today. This survey is ONLY a salary survey. There will be another industry survey in 2-3 weeks that will cover questions about software usage, business related topics etc. Submit Cancel

To answer a few more questions posed about the survey today. This survey is ONLY a salary survey. There will be another industry survey in 2-3 weeks that will cover questions about software usage, business related topics etc.

The participants should have access to the survey results. If it where not for the contributors and visitors to this site, would you have any business at all? Submit Cancel

The participants should have access to the survey results. If it where not for the contributors and visitors to this site, would you have any business at all?

[QUOTE=Aleksander Berge]The participants should have access to the survey results. If it where not for the contributors and visitors to this site, would you have any business at all?[/QUOTE] I've not sure I even understand your augment. It makes me wonder if you even work in this industry or run a business. You don't have to take the survey if 5 minutes is too much of an inconvenience. That simple. I will be charging for it for the reasons mentioned above already. I don't work for free, just like you don't I hope. Based on your argument I don't think you realize how much work it is to run this site or how much it costs. Nor do you likely realize that over the last 11 years I've given A LOT to help this industry (1000's of hours without pay or compensation.) Ask any anyone who has been in this industry for a while. I earn my living from CGarchitect now and made a decision a while ago that I refuse to do everything for free. If you would like to donate a few thousand hours to help run CGarchitect I'm happy to give it away for free though. Submit Cancel

Quoting Aleksander Berge:
The participants should have access to the survey results. If it where not for the contributors and visitors to this site, would you have any business at all?

I've not sure I even understand your augment. It makes me wonder if you even work in this industry or run a business. You don't have to take the survey if 5 minutes is too much of an inconvenience. That simple. I will be charging for it for the reasons mentioned above already.

I don't work for free, just like you don't I hope. Based on your argument I don't think you realize how much work it is to run this site or how much it costs. Nor do you likely realize that over the last 11 years I've given A LOT to help this industry (1000's of hours without pay or compensation.) Ask any anyone who has been in this industry for a while. I earn my living from CGarchitect now and made a decision a while ago that I refuse to do everything for free. If you would like to donate a few thousand hours to help run CGarchitect I'm happy to give it away for free though.

Sorry but it sounds like you'r feeling sorry for your self. Been in the industry for 7 years Jeff. what I meant was: Without those who answered your questions, you wouldn't have anything to sell right? wouldn't it just be fair to share what comes out of an collaboration with those who participated? - I think so. Submit Cancel

Sorry but it sounds like you'r feeling sorry for your self. Been in the industry for 7 years Jeff.

what I meant was: Without those who answered your questions, you wouldn't have anything to sell right? wouldn't it just be fair to share what comes out of an collaboration with those who participated? - I think so.

[QUOTE=Aleksander Berge]Sounds like you'r feeling sorry for your self. Been in the industry for 7 years Jeff. what I meant was: Without those who answered your questions, you wouldn't have anything to sell right? wouldn't it just bee fair to share what comes out of an collaboration with those who participated? - I think so.[/QUOTE] I'm not feeling sorry for myself at all. I just don't think I should give my time away for free all of the time. I still do this a a lot. To your argument though, if I did not spend 60 hours putting it together, spending 11 years growing a community that could participate in a survey, and time just getting the data, you would not have any information about salaries either. It's a circular argument. I however have chosen to charge for it. It's a service that ALL other industries charge A LOT more for. I could have easily charged $500-1000 and still been less than other industries. I think paying a mere $20 for data like this is pretty nominal don't you? You've probably spent more time just replying and reading this thread. I know I have. You are not obligated to take the survey or purchase it though. Thousands do however. Sorry if my replies come off a bit irritated. I've just grown very tired over the years having so many people think that running a community site should be some sort of noble cause like becoming a priest. It's a business just like many others in this industry. It's free to visit the site and learn from all of the others and the content. It has to run on something. I've decided the salary survey will be revenue generating because it's a nominal amount and it has intrinsic value for the community that I know people are willing to pay for. It's that simple. Submit Cancel

Quoting Aleksander Berge:
Sounds like you'r feeling sorry for your self. Been in the industry for 7 years Jeff.

what I meant was: Without those who answered your questions, you wouldn't have anything to sell right? wouldn't it just bee fair to share what comes out of an collaboration with those who participated? - I think so.

I'm not feeling sorry for myself at all. I just don't think I should give my time away for free all of the time. I still do this a a lot. To your argument though, if I did not spend 60 hours putting it together, spending 11 years growing a community that could participate in a survey, and time just getting the data, you would not have any information about salaries either. It's a circular argument. I however have chosen to charge for it. It's a service that ALL other industries charge A LOT more for. I could have easily charged $500-1000 and still been less than other industries. I think paying a mere $20 for data like this is pretty nominal don't you? You've probably spent more time just replying and reading this thread. I know I have. You are not obligated to take the survey or purchase it though. Thousands do however.

Sorry if my replies come off a bit irritated. I've just grown very tired over the years having so many people think that running a community site should be some sort of noble cause like becoming a priest.

It's a business just like many others in this industry. It's free to visit the site and learn from all of the others and the content. It has to run on something. I've decided the salary survey will be revenue generating because it's a nominal amount and it has intrinsic value for the community that I know people are willing to pay for. It's that simple.

This is only my opinion - this is why you have comments right. It isn't matter of how much you take, just a question of moral. Think this community business is a 2-way street. you have to give and take. without you there wouldnt be any cgarchitect.com, without the members there wouldnt be so much content. Submit Cancel

This is only my opinion - this is why you have comments right.

It isn't matter of how much you take, just a question of moral.

Think this community business is a 2-way street. you have to give and take. without you there wouldnt be any cgarchitect.com, without the members there wouldnt be so much content.

Aleksander, you say this "community business is a 2-way street", I ask you then, what do YOU supply to the community? Do you pay to be a part of this community? Not a single cent. Are you asked to pay money to host you images, so your peers can comment and critique your work? Never. Are you asked to pay for features, tutorials, interviews. Nope, nope and nope. So then tell me Aleksander, what have you contributed to this community that gives you ability to call into question the morals of CG Architect. Do you have any idea how much it cost to run a website of this magnitude, the hosting, the bandwidth, let alone the time spent keeping the whole thing moderated and up to date? And the simple democratic fact is, if you don't wish to pay for the survey, you don't have to. That is your choice, but have some respect for Jeff and the people who look after CG Architect, that they are a business and they need to cover their costs somehow. Submit Cancel

Aleksander, you say this "community business is a 2-way street", I ask you then, what do YOU supply to the community? Do you pay to be a part of this community? Not a single cent. Are you asked to pay money to host you images, so your peers can comment and critique your work? Never. Are you asked to pay for features, tutorials, interviews. Nope, nope and nope. So then tell me Aleksander, what have you contributed to this community that gives you ability to call into question the morals of CG Architect. Do you have any idea how much it cost to run a website of this magnitude, the hosting, the bandwidth, let alone the time spent keeping the whole thing moderated and up to date?

And the simple democratic fact is, if you don't wish to pay for the survey, you don't have to. That is your choice, but have some respect for Jeff and the people who look after CG Architect, that they are a business and they need to cover their costs somehow.

Hi Jeff, I've adressed my 'wishes' in the final note however I'll submit them here to avoid them getting lost in the many surveys. The survey seems more geared toward employees rather than employers. Perhaps a few more questions or options directed to the employers would be of more interest (to people like me). It also doesn't seem to be as comprehensive as the last. I would like to see more info on program usage, models used, particular skills whether it be modelling, texturing rendering etc., perhaps some more questions on the particular roles of employees in the company. I have 4 full time staff with each employed for a seperate role - modelling, texturing, post etc. Just my $0.02 Chris Submit Cancel

Hi Jeff,

I've adressed my 'wishes' in the final note however I'll submit them here to avoid them getting lost in the many surveys.

The survey seems more geared toward employees rather than employers. Perhaps a few more questions or options directed to the employers would be of more interest (to people like me).

It also doesn't seem to be as comprehensive as the last. I would like to see more info on program usage, models used, particular skills whether it be modelling, texturing rendering etc., perhaps some more questions on the particular roles of employees in the company. I have 4 full time staff with each employed for a seperate role - modelling, texturing, post etc.

Just my $0.02

Chris

[QUOTE=Chris Torelli] It also doesn't seem to be as comprehensive as the last. I would like to see more info on program usage, models used, particular skills whether it be modelling, texturing rendering etc., perhaps some more questions on the particular roles of employees in the company. I have 4 full time staff with each employed for a seperate role - modelling, texturing, post etc. Chris[/QUOTE] Hi Chris, As I mentioned in an earlier comment above this is ONLY a salary survey. There is a separate industry survey that will be coming soon. Submit Cancel

Quoting Chris Torelli:


It also doesn't seem to be as comprehensive as the last. I would like to see more info on program usage, models used, particular skills whether it be modelling, texturing rendering etc., perhaps some more questions on the particular roles of employees in the company. I have 4 full time staff with each employed for a seperate role - modelling, texturing, post etc.

Chris

Hi Chris, As I mentioned in an earlier comment above this is ONLY a salary survey. There is a separate industry survey that will be coming soon.

[QUOTE]Hi Chris, As I mentioned in an earlier comment above this is ONLY a salary survey. There is a separate industry survey that will be coming soon.[/QUOTE] Great - will be looking forward to that one. Submit Cancel

Hi Chris, As I mentioned in an earlier comment above this is ONLY a salary survey. There is a separate industry survey that will be coming soon.

Great - will be looking forward to that one.

@Peter Drew The point about charging for the survey is that the ones that cost real money generally are not totally anonymous and random (the participants are vetted a bit more than asking the internet), have detailed analysis and projections of more coherent data, and are more comprehensive than what is indicated by the limited scope of questions in the CGA survey. As far as it being a report that I could take to a CEO\CFO...I don't think I'd get too far into the conversation once the words "internet survey" came out of my mouth. On the flip side 20USD isn't a lot of money to satisfy your curiosity and, as Jeff said, reflects the time it takes to compile the data not the quality of the data. Submit Cancel

@Peter Drew
The point about charging for the survey is that the ones that cost real money generally are not totally anonymous and random (the participants are vetted a bit more than asking the internet), have detailed analysis and projections of more coherent data, and are more comprehensive than what is indicated by the limited scope of questions in the CGA survey. As far as it being a report that I could take to a CEO\CFO...I don't think I'd get too far into the conversation once the words "internet survey" came out of my mouth. On the flip side 20USD isn't a lot of money to satisfy your curiosity and, as Jeff said, reflects the time it takes to compile the data not the quality of the data.

[QUOTE=Alex Harmon] As far as it being a report that I could take to a CEO\CFO...I don't think I'd get too far into the conversation once the words "internet survey" came out of my mouth. On the flip side 20USD isn't a lot of money to satisfy your curiosity and, as Jeff said, reflects the time it takes to compile the data not the quality of the data.[/QUOTE] I don't think you can dismiss the results of this survey that much. Granted you are going to get more depth from a personal interview, but the scalability of that sort of survey is limited. You are not going to be able to interview an entire industry within a given country with significant results let alone the entire world. I've participated in the type of surveys you mention and I would not consider the results statistically accurate, but perhaps more exact for the limited scope they do cover. I think the results will be pretty accurate for the countries where we do receive significant responses. Submit Cancel

Quoting Alex Harmon:
As far as it being a report that I could take to a CEO\CFO...I don't think I'd get too far into the conversation once the words "internet survey" came out of my mouth. On the flip side 20USD isn't a lot of money to satisfy your curiosity and, as Jeff said, reflects the time it takes to compile the data not the quality of the data.

I don't think you can dismiss the results of this survey that much. Granted you are going to get more depth from a personal interview, but the scalability of that sort of survey is limited. You are not going to be able to interview an entire industry within a given country with significant results let alone the entire world. I've participated in the type of surveys you mention and I would not consider the results statistically accurate, but perhaps more exact for the limited scope they do cover. I think the results will be pretty accurate for the countries where we do receive significant responses.

One thing to note is that I can filter the results of the survey quite a bit. It's not just the individual questions themselves, but analysis of the questions in relation to each other that will show the real results. There are also many questions in the survey you may or may not have seen due to the way you answered the questions. There were a lot of forked questions in the survey. I've done these surveys enough times to know what works and what does not. Submit Cancel

One thing to note is that I can filter the results of the survey quite a bit. It's not just the individual questions themselves, but analysis of the questions in relation to each other that will show the real results. There are also many questions in the survey you may or may not have seen due to the way you answered the questions. There were a lot of forked questions in the survey. I've done these surveys enough times to know what works and what does not.

Hey Jeff, Thanks for putting the survey together!!! I would love to buy a copy when you guys are done and think it is fair to do so. As a business owner I've paid tons of money to some leading HR companies for insight that is not as comprehensive as this will be. So, once again, Thanks Submit Cancel

Hey Jeff,

Thanks for putting the survey together!!! I would love to buy a copy when you guys are done and think it is fair to do so. As a business owner I've paid tons of money to some leading HR companies for insight that is not as comprehensive as this will be. So, once again, Thanks

wow, just reading through the constructive feedback and comments left about the industry at the end of the survey and find this comment: "Jeff. You are a dick." Someone from Miami. Sometimes the sheer childishness of people in this industry astounds me. I'm not even sure what it was I did to this person, but obviously it required them to post their elementary school playground retort anonymously. Feel free to email me personally if you have something you want to want to tell me. (jmottle@cgarchitect.com) Seriously! Submit Cancel

wow, just reading through the constructive feedback and comments left about the industry at the end of the survey and find this comment: "Jeff. You are a dick." Someone from Miami. Sometimes the sheer childishness of people in this industry astounds me. I'm not even sure what it was I did to this person, but obviously it required them to post their elementary school playground retort anonymously. Feel free to email me personally if you have something you want to want to tell me. (jmottle@cgarchitect.com) Seriously!

[QUOTE=Sonny Sultani]Hey Jeff, Thanks for putting the survey together!!! I would love to buy a copy when you guys are done and think it is fair to do so. As a business owner I've paid tons of money to some leading HR companies for insight that is not as comprehensive as this will be. So, once again, Thanks[/QUOTE] Thanks Sonny. I'm curious what sort of results and information did you get from the HR companies? Where did it fall short? Submit Cancel

Quoting Sonny Sultani:
Hey Jeff,

Thanks for putting the survey together!!! I would love to buy a copy when you guys are done and think it is fair to do so. As a business owner I've paid tons of money to some leading HR companies for insight that is not as comprehensive as this will be. So, once again, Thanks

Thanks Sonny. I'm curious what sort of results and information did you get from the HR companies? Where did it fall short?

[QUOTE=Jeff Mottle]wow, just reading through the constructive feedback and comments left about the industry at the end of the survey and find this comment: "Jeff. You are a dick." Someone from Miami. Sometimes the sheer childishness of people in this industry astounds me. I'm not even sure what it was I did to this person, but obviously it required them to post their elementary school playground retort anonymously. Feel free to email me personally if you have something you want to want to tell me. (jmottle@cgarchitect.com) Seriously![/QUOTE] Not sure what you expect. You have a survey any random 12 year old on the internet can fill out AND you are charging for it. For obvious reasons this kind of thing is something I would never pay for. Good luck and welcome to the internet Submit Cancel

Quoting Jeff Mottle:
wow, just reading through the constructive feedback and comments left about the industry at the end of the survey and find this comment: "Jeff. You are a dick." Someone from Miami. Sometimes the sheer childishness of people in this industry astounds me. I'm not even sure what it was I did to this person, but obviously it required them to post their elementary school playground retort anonymously. Feel free to email me personally if you have something you want to want to tell me. (jmottle@cgarchitect.com) Seriously!

Not sure what you expect.
You have a survey any random 12 year old on the internet can fill out AND you are charging for it.
For obvious reasons this kind of thing is something I would never pay for.
Good luck and welcome to the internet

[QUOTE=Jeff Dunn] Not sure what you expect. You have a survey any random 12 year old on the internet can fill out AND you are charging for it.[/QUOTE] Not sure I've seen too many 12 year olds working in arch viz, much less visiting CGarchitect and taking surveys for the purpose of trolling. CGarchitect is niche enough that the only people who are going to be taking this survey work in the industry. Likely someone who takes issue with CGarchitect trying to keep the site running by earning revenue. Not the first or last I'm sure I'll run into who has such a narrow-minded and unrealistic view of running a business. Clearly think everything should be handed to them on a silver platter without any work or money. If there really is such a dislike towards me charging for it, perhaps it would be better if I did not do it at all. As I've said many times before I'm not going to invest this much time for free. Submit Cancel

Quoting Jeff Dunn:

Not sure what you expect.
You have a survey any random 12 year old on the internet can fill out AND you are charging for it.

Not sure I've seen too many 12 year olds working in arch viz, much less visiting CGarchitect and taking surveys for the purpose of trolling. CGarchitect is niche enough that the only people who are going to be taking this survey work in the industry. Likely someone who takes issue with CGarchitect trying to keep the site running by earning revenue. Not the first or last I'm sure I'll run into who has such a narrow-minded and unrealistic view of running a business. Clearly think everything should be handed to them on a silver platter without any work or money. If there really is such a dislike towards me charging for it, perhaps it would be better if I did not do it at all. As I've said many times before I'm not going to invest this much time for free.

[QUOTE=Jeff Mottle][QUOTE=Sonny Sultani]Hey Jeff, Thanks Sonny. I'm curious what sort of results and information did you get from the HR companies? Where did it fall short?[/QUOTE] 1. For the most part I get either 3D artist as a collective group not individualized based on our industry 2. no one ever tells me how hard these employees are working. (how many hours) 3. I also want to understand what benefits are important to employees. 4. I would love to also understand why people get into Arch Viz to begin with, what motivates them Submit Cancel

Quoting Jeff Mottle:
[QUOTE=Sonny Sultani]Hey Jeff,

Thanks Sonny. I'm curious what sort of results and information did you get from the HR companies? Where did it fall short?

1. For the most part I get either 3D artist as a collective group not individualized based on our industry
2. no one ever tells me how hard these employees are working. (how many hours)
3. I also want to understand what benefits are important to employees.
4. I would love to also understand why people get into Arch Viz to begin with, what motivates them

Just shut up all of you and be happy CGArchitect is here. Without it the industry wouldn't be where it is now. Thanks for all your hard work, Jeff. Submit Cancel

Just shut up all of you and be happy CGArchitect is here. Without it the industry wouldn't be where it is now.

Thanks for all your hard work, Jeff.

I must say this kind of discussion is finally interesting. Why can't there be heated debate on both sides of argument ? It seems quite polite to me, not sure why everyone gets so offended. Everyone just want to shut it with some final word. LOL at "shut up". Anyway, 20 dollars is damn hella cheap, internet content, after all, isn't that different from printed content these days. And I surely pay few times that amount monthly just to buy printed media to get me information I find valuable or interesting. Which this survey is. On other hand, maybe there could be slight compromise, and show some basic numbers and leave more information to buy ? Submit Cancel

I must say this kind of discussion is finally interesting. Why can't there be heated debate on both sides of argument ? It seems quite polite to me, not sure why everyone gets so offended. Everyone just want to shut it with some final word. LOL at "shut up".

Anyway, 20 dollars is damn hella cheap, internet content, after all, isn't that different from printed content these days. And I surely pay few times that amount monthly just to buy printed media to get me information I find valuable or interesting. Which this survey is.


On other hand, maybe there could be slight compromise, and show some basic numbers and leave more information to buy ?

[QUOTE=Juraj Talcik]On other hand, maybe there could be slight compromise, and show some basic numbers and leave more information to buy ?[/QUOTE] There will be some sort of information available to get some idea of what you might be purchasing and in more general terms the results of the survey. Same as last time. It's funny, last time I charged for access to the full searchable results that were not even written up into a nice format for easier digestion and no one said a thing. LOL. Submit Cancel

Quoting Juraj Talcik:
On other hand, maybe there could be slight compromise, and show some basic numbers and leave more information to buy ?

There will be some sort of information available to get some idea of what you might be purchasing and in more general terms the results of the survey. Same as last time. It's funny, last time I charged for access to the full searchable results that were not even written up into a nice format for easier digestion and no one said a thing. LOL.

I agree that we need to pay on your great contribute. People want to get value out then should input value. Few USD and time cost only few coffee cup but worth a career. Submit Cancel

I agree that we need to pay on your great contribute. People want to get value out then should input value. Few USD and time cost only few coffee cup but worth a career.

Everyone that's that thinks Jeff should give this information away needs to immediately start giving their clients free visualization work. The man is trying to make a living, considering the mountain of valuable information and advice you already get for free from this site $20 is a small price to pay to help you figure out how valuable your services are to people. I'll gladly pay for this survey if for no other reason than to say Thank You Jeff for all you've done for this community over the years. Submit Cancel

Everyone that's that thinks Jeff should give this information away needs to immediately start giving their clients free visualization work. The man is trying to make a living, considering the mountain of valuable information and advice you already get for free from this site $20 is a small price to pay to help you figure out how valuable your services are to people. I'll gladly pay for this survey if for no other reason than to say Thank You Jeff for all you've done for this community over the years.

Jeff, When will the results be out? Submit Cancel

Jeff, When will the results be out?

I'm going to be sending out a final call for submissions early next week with deadline of Aug 31. Then it will take me 2-3 weeks to compile all of the information. Submit Cancel

I'm going to be sending out a final call for submissions early next week with deadline of Aug 31. Then it will take me 2-3 weeks to compile all of the information.

It astounds me how cheap some people can be, its only $20. The notion that some people feel entitled to a free survey, which takes many hours of someones time (Jeffs) to compile, when they contribute a couple of minutes of their own time is ridiculous. But this is the internet, so there will always be trollers, haters and keyboard warriors no matter how professional your user base is. Submit Cancel

It astounds me how cheap some people can be, its only $20. The notion that some people feel entitled to a free survey, which takes many hours of someones time (Jeffs) to compile, when they contribute a couple of minutes of their own time is ridiculous. But this is the internet, so there will always be trollers, haters and keyboard warriors no matter how professional your user base is.

Hey Jeff Mottle, your excuses are unacceptable. You collect information from public and then sell back to them. This is absolutely nonsense. You said you do too much free stuffs for the community, you said this sale is just a way to recover your time spent for doing free things. Hey, if you DECIDE TO GIVE to people, DON'T ASK FOR RETURNS. You said you have been offered free stuffs to the community for 11 years. IS THAT TRUE? See how much money you generate from ads on your site, will that not enough to cover the its hosting, says luxury hosting for $200/month? Oh yeah, some more cost for operating too, that is not significant except at the start. The site can run by itself, users contribute contents to it, attracting readers and generate web traffic ( = money). That is your rewards, you use them to cover the costs. That is the way free blogs running now. DON'T SAY YOU SPEND BUT DO NOT GET ANYTHING BACK. Submit Cancel

Hey Jeff Mottle, your excuses are unacceptable. You collect information from public and then sell back to them. This is absolutely nonsense.

You said you do too much free stuffs for the community, you said this sale is just a way to recover your time spent for doing free things. Hey, if you DECIDE TO GIVE to people, DON'T ASK FOR RETURNS.

You said you have been offered free stuffs to the community for 11 years. IS THAT TRUE? See how much money you generate from ads on your site, will that not enough to cover the its hosting, says luxury hosting for $200/month? Oh yeah, some more cost for operating too, that is not significant except at the start. The site can run by itself, users contribute contents to it, attracting readers and generate web traffic ( = money). That is your rewards, you use them to cover the costs. That is the way free blogs running now. DON'T SAY YOU SPEND BUT DO NOT GET ANYTHING BACK.

@Hater Man, I'm not sure why I'm even bothering to reply to your nonsense as you clearly have no clue how much it costs to run an online business. I'd hazard a guess you probably have no clue what it takes to run a business period based on your diatribe. The fact you think the site can run itself is laughable. My server costs alone are almost $25,000 a year and that is barely enough to keep up with the traffic and server load at times. Until you've actually run an online business, I'd suggest you respectfully stop speculating about what is actually involved and what it costs. Submit Cancel

@Hater Man, I'm not sure why I'm even bothering to reply to your nonsense as you clearly have no clue how much it costs to run an online business. I'd hazard a guess you probably have no clue what it takes to run a business period based on your diatribe.

The fact you think the site can run itself is laughable. My server costs alone are almost $25,000 a year and that is barely enough to keep up with the traffic and server load at times. Until you've actually run an online business, I'd suggest you respectfully stop speculating about what is actually involved and what it costs.

SINCE THE BEGINNING they made clear it won't be free to buy the survey afterwards, so stop crying and complaining. It's their freaking website and they do as they please. 3d party people shouldn't be telling them how to run their own freaking website, get real. If you don't agree - don't do it. Plain and simple. Babies. ---------------------------- Question: I'm working in Belgium, but how will I be able to use the survey if all nationalities are contributing to the same money-pot. Will this have a country-rated general-payrate? with ages? It might be handy to give a list of what exacly will be in the survey so we don't buy it if it doesn't contain our specific needs. For example: I want to compare my payrate to my own country and age. 2nd: How are "skills" put into the equasion? I don't have a diploma, i'm self thaught, but in my country there isn't even a school that teaches the architectural visual design (if there aqtualy is any school in the world that focuses on this) - but diploma suggests you still get a higher pay rate in this profession? regards, Ethan Janssens Submit Cancel

SINCE THE BEGINNING they made clear it won't be free to buy the survey afterwards, so stop crying and complaining. It's their freaking website and they do as they please.

3d party people shouldn't be telling them how to run their own freaking website, get real.

If you don't agree - don't do it. Plain and simple. Babies.

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Question: I'm working in Belgium, but how will I be able to use the survey if all nationalities are contributing to the same money-pot. Will this have a country-rated general-payrate? with ages?

It might be handy to give a list of what exacly will be in the survey so we don't buy it if it doesn't contain our specific needs. For example: I want to compare my payrate to my own country and age.

2nd: How are "skills" put into the equasion? I don't have a diploma, i'm self thaught, but in my country there isn't even a school that teaches the architectural visual design (if there aqtualy is any school in the world that focuses on this) - but diploma suggests you still get a higher pay rate in this profession?

regards,

Ethan Janssens

@Ethan, yes we're breaking down the results by country provided each country has enough respondents. Right now Belgium has 30 respondents. To see the questions, just take the survey. It only takes 5 min. There are enough questions in there to really allow for some very detailed and custom analysis. We do ask about education level as well. Submit Cancel

@Ethan, yes we're breaking down the results by country provided each country has enough respondents. Right now Belgium has 30 respondents. To see the questions, just take the survey. It only takes 5 min. There are enough questions in there to really allow for some very detailed and custom analysis. We do ask about education level as well.

Also, the information provided about what is included in the paid survey will be very detailed so people can make a decision if it has the info they need. Submit Cancel

Also, the information provided about what is included in the paid survey will be very detailed so people can make a decision if it has the info they need.

@ Hater Man, congratulations your ability to fling mud from your perch of anonymity must be so rewarding. I go back to the fact that if you don't want to partake in this survey, or pay money for it, then in the most democratic way possible, you simply don't have to. Under no conditions did Jeff ever state anything to the contrary. If you would like to create, host and distribute a free survey, then please by all means forward us all the link and I'm sure we would all revel in your absolute generosity. Submit Cancel

@ Hater Man, congratulations your ability to fling mud from your perch of anonymity must be so rewarding. I go back to the fact that if you don't want to partake in this survey, or pay money for it, then in the most democratic way possible, you simply don't have to. Under no conditions did Jeff ever state anything to the contrary.

If you would like to create, host and distribute a free survey, then please by all means forward us all the link and I'm sure we would all revel in your absolute generosity.

Jeff, Maybe disable comments for the next survey.. :) Chris Submit Cancel

Jeff,

Maybe disable comments for the next survey..

Chris

@Chris, Yes a good idea indeed. I may have to ask our developer to implement this, or develop an algorithm to filter stupid comments. :) Right now though I have no way to do disable comments for individual posts. Submit Cancel

@Chris, Yes a good idea indeed. I may have to ask our developer to implement this, or develop an algorithm to filter stupid comments. Right now though I have no way to do disable comments for individual posts.

Jeff, i recommend adapting this plugin ;) http://www.tannr.com/herp-derp-youtube-comments/ Submit Cancel

Jeff, i recommend adapting this plugin http://www.tannr.com/herp-derp-youtube-comments/

this is very simple .. many years we have been using, availing ourselves of the many resources this site has given us free in so many years, I think it's time to help us in any way, it's worth the results of this analysis, is insignificant to what we really brings, and if we have to work with it, is fair .. is my opinion!! Submit Cancel

this is very simple ..
many years we have been using, availing ourselves of the many resources this site has given us free in so many years, I think it's time to help us in any way, it's worth the results of this analysis, is insignificant to what we really brings, and if we have to work with it, is fair ..
is my opinion!!

Its time I give you something back Jeff! Looking forward for the survey results! Also, regarding your next survey, will be great to know about budget for the machines, and who decides them? Satish Submit Cancel

Its time I give you something back Jeff! Looking forward for the survey results!

Also, regarding your next survey, will be great to know about budget for the machines, and who decides them?

Satish

Just wondering if the Survey results are available for purchase? Submit Cancel

Just wondering if the Survey results are available for purchase?

Will have them done in the next 3-4 weeks, maybe sooner. I'm finally home long enough now to put my full attention on it. Stay tuned. Submit Cancel

Will have them done in the next 3-4 weeks, maybe sooner. I'm finally home long enough now to put my full attention on it. Stay tuned.

Is there somewhere we can retrieve the discount code if it has been lost/forgotten? Submit Cancel

Is there somewhere we can retrieve the discount code if it has been lost/forgotten?

@James send me an email to jmottle@cgarchitect.com and I can get that to you. Submit Cancel

@James send me an email to jmottle@cgarchitect.com and I can get that to you.

Hi, any ETA on the survey results? Would really love to have it before Christmas :) Submit Cancel

Hi, any ETA on the survey results? Would really love to have it before Christmas

I have been on the road for almost all of November. I'm actually heading to the airport again in 90 minutes. I have been spending a fair bit of time determine how best to analyze the data and testing data analytics software. I just pulled the trigger on a $1000 package earlier this week so once I get back I'll be finishing everything up. It will 100% be done before the end of the year. Submit Cancel

I have been on the road for almost all of November. I'm actually heading to the airport again in 90 minutes. I have been spending a fair bit of time determine how best to analyze the data and testing data analytics software. I just pulled the trigger on a $1000 package earlier this week so once I get back I'll be finishing everything up. It will 100% be done before the end of the year.

Hi all, sorry for the delay, I missed the end of the year deadline by a few weeks due to illness and the holidays madness. I just completed the survey this weekend after clocking in a final tally of about 100 hours to finalize everything. Check it out [url=http://www.cgarchitect.com/2013/01/20132013-visualization-salary-survey-now-available]HERE[/url] Submit Cancel

Hi all, sorry for the delay, I missed the end of the year deadline by a few weeks due to illness and the holidays madness. I just completed the survey this weekend after clocking in a final tally of about 100 hours to finalize everything. Check it out HERE