Save Back Option

Timothy Saunders · January 15th, 2008

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SHORT TITLE FOR SUGGESTION/BUG/ENHANCEMENT REQUEST
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Option to save back to older version.

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DETAILED DESCRIPTION OF YOUR REQUEST
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When saving or exporting a file, it would REALLY be helpful to be able to save the file for older versions of max.

I understand there are some plugins, or geometry types that aren't usable in older formats, but in the save or export process, maybe you would just get a warning that the objects in the scene that use those new features could not be saved in the scene.

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WHY THIS REQUEST IS IMPORTANT TO YOU
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I have projects all the time when consultants or partners on the project don't have the same version of max.

Rick Eloy · January 15th, 2008

'Nuff said. Yes from me!

Chad Warner · January 15th, 2008

This should have been the first wish!

kippu · January 15th, 2008

oh yes .... seconded or thirded.....

DavidR · January 15th, 2008

I had a similar wish in the Wish List -maybe they should be consolidated?

TheAllusionist · January 15th, 2008

Yes, this would probably be a lot of peoples #1 wish, but does anyone really think the lack of this feature is an oversight on Autodesk's part?

Rick Eloy · January 16th, 2008

Not really. I assume it's probably due to 3 reasons:
1) New compilers come out, and Max uses those. When you change the compiler, everything changes, including plugins. So, I think it must be a real pain to create something readable by a previous version (again, not an expert on this so I might be wrong)
2) Since Max works with plugins, somethings simply do not exist in older versions, so it probably wouldn't read the files right.
3) They now lauch a new release every year, and this makes people buy it (this one everyone knows, already).

TheAllusionist · January 16th, 2008

All very good points. The third one is the only one I would have thought was an obstacle, a majority of the programs out there save out to older versions. As for plugins, if the feature wasn't available for the version you saved the file out as, then I assume when you are using the older version of Max you wouldn't have the non-existant plugin installed. Compilers, I would have thought with as old and ancient max's code is that there would be no surprises there.

But the fact probably is that something on your list or another reason is in affect here, otherwise I would think someone would have written a plugin to do this

So as jaded as my opinion on it is, there are probably some legitimate reasons for it. But I imagine the #1 reason is the 'Board of Investors'! LOL

Great Wish Item!

Dave Buchhofer · January 16th, 2008

For completeness' sake, It should be noted that you can get very good backward compatibility by using the newest versions of the FBX file format. (From the adesk FBX website, not the one that comes with max)

It may not be perfect, but its worked great for me in 4 of 5 cases here.

Timothy Saunders · January 17th, 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Buchhofer

For completeness' sake, It should be noted that you can get very good backward compatibility by using the newest versions of the FBX file format. (From the adesk FBX website, not the one that comes with max)

It may not be perfect, but its worked great for me in 4 of 5 cases here.

How well are the geometry "types" preserved? Meaning; I can get great looking 3ds exports, but what I want is to have access to modifiers, and things like changing the shape or path of a loft. With a 3ds export, it is all converted to an editable mesh. Is that the same with FXB? Never tried it.

January 15th, 2008	#1 (permalink)
Timothy Saunders Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Age: 30 Posts: 1,198 Name: Tim Saunders	Save Back Option ---------------------------------------------------------------- SHORT TITLE FOR SUGGESTION/BUG/ENHANCEMENT REQUEST ---------------------------------------------------------------- Option to save back to older version. --------------------------------------------------------------- DETAILED DESCRIPTION OF YOUR REQUEST --------------------------------------------------------------- When saving or exporting a file, it would REALLY be helpful to be able to save the file for older versions of max. I understand there are some plugins, or geometry types that aren't usable in older formats, but in the save or export process, maybe you would just get a warning that the objects in the scene that use those new features could not be saved in the scene. --------------------------------------------------------------- WHY THIS REQUEST IS IMPORTANT TO YOU --------------------------------------------------------------- I have projects all the time when consultants or partners on the project don't have the same version of max. __________________ www.3dtim.com www.saltlakegraphics.org

January 15th, 2008	#2 (permalink)
Rick Eloy Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: São Paulo, Brasil Age: 31 Posts: 2,385 Name: Ricardo Eloy	Re: Save Back Option 'Nuff said. Yes from me! __________________ Rick Eloy reb digital - Really, I'm doing it for the kids...

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Chad Warner Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Savannah, GA Posts: 1,445 Name: Chad Warner	Re: Save Back Option This should have been the first wish! __________________ _____________ Chad Warner www.bluelimestudio.com

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kippu Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: india Age: 32 Posts: 1,393 Name: maria prem	Re: Save Back Option oh yes .... seconded or thirded..... __________________ architecture visualization services www.renderviz.com

January 15th, 2008	#5 (permalink)
DavidR Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Montreal Age: 50 Posts: 205 Name: David Rees	Re: Save Back Option I had a similar wish in the Wish List -maybe they should be consolidated?

January 15th, 2008	#6 (permalink)
TheAllusionist Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 409 Name: Russell Thomas	Re: Save Back Option Yes, this would probably be a lot of peoples #1 wish, but does anyone really think the lack of this feature is an oversight on Autodesk's part? __________________ The Opinions Expressed Here Do Not Necessarily Reflect Those of a Rational Mind. 3DAllusions \| 3DAllusions Studio \| MrMaterials

January 16th, 2008	#7 (permalink)
Rick Eloy Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: São Paulo, Brasil Age: 31 Posts: 2,385 Name: Ricardo Eloy	Re: Save Back Option Not really. I assume it's probably due to 3 reasons: 1) New compilers come out, and Max uses those. When you change the compiler, everything changes, including plugins. So, I think it must be a real pain to create something readable by a previous version (again, not an expert on this so I might be wrong) 2) Since Max works with plugins, somethings simply do not exist in older versions, so it probably wouldn't read the files right. 3) They now lauch a new release every year, and this makes people buy it (this one everyone knows, already). __________________ Rick Eloy reb digital - Really, I'm doing it for the kids...

January 16th, 2008	#8 (permalink)
TheAllusionist Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 409 Name: Russell Thomas	Re: Save Back Option All very good points. The third one is the only one I would have thought was an obstacle, a majority of the programs out there save out to older versions. As for plugins, if the feature wasn't available for the version you saved the file out as, then I assume when you are using the older version of Max you wouldn't have the non-existant plugin installed. Compilers, I would have thought with as old and ancient max's code is that there would be no surprises there. But the fact probably is that something on your list or another reason is in affect here, otherwise I would think someone would have written a plugin to do this So as jaded as my opinion on it is, there are probably some legitimate reasons for it. But I imagine the #1 reason is the 'Board of Investors'! LOL Great Wish Item! __________________ The Opinions Expressed Here Do Not Necessarily Reflect Those of a Rational Mind. 3DAllusions \| 3DAllusions Studio \| MrMaterials

January 16th, 2008	#9 (permalink)
Dave Buchhofer Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 278 Name: Dave Buchhofer	Re: Save Back Option For completeness' sake, It should be noted that you can get very good backward compatibility by using the newest versions of the FBX file format. (From the adesk FBX website, not the one that comes with max) It may not be perfect, but its worked great for me in 4 of 5 cases here. __________________ Dave. TD / EwingCole DMG

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