New World Trade Center Site Design Concepts

CHE · December 19th, 2002

I thought that you all would like to see the 7 new design concepts for the world trade center site. So here is the link.

LMDC

dwright · December 19th, 2002

I think the Team design has more thought, Foster version is more a pure business concept, Team vision has a "community" feeling that I wish we had more in the US.

Regards,

David

dwright · December 19th, 2002

BTW, I think the "#" is a terrible idea.. in my opinion...

dwright · December 19th, 2002

I think the Team design has more thought, Foster version is more a pure business concept, Team vision has a "community" feeling that I wish we had more in the US.

Regards,

David

Paul Griger · December 19th, 2002

the Peterson/Littenberg Architecture and Urban Design submission has a traditional feel that would be best suited in the area as it is now. It's not a "look at me" design. Although I usually find myself gravitated to that, I don't know if it's needed here.

the THINK Design submission is the best of the "forward thinking" designs submitted IMHO. I like the outdoor park area, the Glass Great Room, and the World Cultural Towers. Very nicely done. It maybe too much for the skyline, but I guess we'll see.

matt_vinoir · December 19th, 2002

wow, some of my architectural heroes ( un studio meier, foa, shiguru ban) all producing a load of old rubbish!!

What are they thinking about!!

Personally the orginal buildings were far more beautiful, if they improve the structure i think it would be a more profound gesture to put them back up again.

All the architects left great big voids for the towers, i think rather that being a nice gesture its rather defeatist, but maybe thats just me.

ingo · December 19th, 2002

Yes, i agree with you Paul. The PL concept is the only real architectural concept, and as this well integrated in the surrounding without killing it, the others are more like "built-everywhere" design. What is also sad to see that a formely great architect like Foster isn't even able to put together a decent presentation.
And i think its better not to talk about the Eisenman "concept", where Richard Meier delivered the squares/cubes and Eisenman puts them together as a graveyard style building.

ingo

Christopher Nichols · December 23rd, 2002

"Traditional" architecture is really a bad word. It is softening the issues... Let's call it what it really is... Post-modernism...

The architecture that will be there is architecture for the ages... and the ages will be changing. Just because the world is filled with conservatives does not mean that in 10 years it will be. I HOPE it will finally feel safe enough to embrasse the avant-gard.

The perterson/littenberg design is complete crap that is still holding on to 80's post-modernism. Foster, while avant-guard in the 80's is starting to show his style and is a bit dated.

If you really want to build something innovative, like nothing in the world has been seen, you have to embrasse the design by "United Architects." While I agree that even Decon will be old by the time this is built... It would still be a step forward.

On the other hand Matt, I know what you mean about your heros producing rubbish. Steven Holl's design always look like crap at first... it isn't until they are built that their beauty is seen. But I have to admit, that hope is thin on this design.

In terms of what is appropriate, I think few, if any, can make the call. We are back to the issue of the Piramids at the Louvre... at a MUCH larger and emotional scale.

[ December 23, 2002, 09:23 AM: Message edited by: Christopher Nichols ]

John Dollus · December 23rd, 2002

I think they should start over. Several are quite impractical.

ingo · December 23rd, 2002

Am i wrong or is this the second attempt already ?

ingo

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dwright Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: San Francisco Age: 34 Posts: 200 Name: David Wright	I think the Team design has more thought, Foster version is more a pure business concept, Team vision has a "community" feeling that I wish we had more in the US. Regards, David __________________ David Wright Principal - Artmaze, Inc

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dwright Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: San Francisco Age: 34 Posts: 200 Name: David Wright	BTW, I think the "#" is a terrible idea.. in my opinion... __________________ David Wright Principal - Artmaze, Inc

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dwright Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: San Francisco Age: 34 Posts: 200 Name: David Wright	I think the Team design has more thought, Foster version is more a pure business concept, Team vision has a "community" feeling that I wish we had more in the US. Regards, David __________________ David Wright Principal - Artmaze, Inc

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Paul Griger Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Milwaukee WI USA Posts: 432 Name: Paul Griger	the Peterson/Littenberg Architecture and Urban Design submission has a traditional feel that would be best suited in the area as it is now. It's not a "look at me" design. Although I usually find myself gravitated to that, I don't know if it's needed here. the THINK Design submission is the best of the "forward thinking" designs submitted IMHO. I like the outdoor park area, the Glass Great Room, and the World Cultural Towers. Very nicely done. It maybe too much for the skyline, but I guess we'll see. __________________ If man is 5, ...and the devil is 6, ...then god is 7! This Monkey's gone to heaven.

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ingo Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Hamburg, mostly harmless Posts: 642 Name: ingo M	Yes, i agree with you Paul. The PL concept is the only real architectural concept, and as this well integrated in the surrounding without killing it, the others are more like "built-everywhere" design. What is also sad to see that a formely great architect like Foster isn't even able to put together a decent presentation. And i think its better not to talk about the Eisenman "concept", where Richard Meier delivered the squares/cubes and Eisenman puts them together as a graveyard style building. ingo __________________ ingo *** www.im-graphics.com

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CHE Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: St. Louis Posts: 820 Name: Ernesto Pacheco	I thought that you all would like to see the 7 new design concepts for the world trade center site. So here is the link. LMDC

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matt_vinoir Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: england Posts: 316 Name: matt vinoir	wow, some of my architectural heroes ( un studio meier, foa, shiguru ban) all producing a load of old rubbish!! What are they thinking about!! Personally the orginal buildings were far more beautiful, if they improve the structure i think it would be a more profound gesture to put them back up again. All the architects left great big voids for the towers, i think rather that being a nice gesture its rather defeatist, but maybe thats just me.

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Christopher Nichols Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Lalaland Posts: 1,166 Name: Christopher Nichols	"Traditional" architecture is really a bad word. It is softening the issues... Let's call it what it really is... Post-modernism... The architecture that will be there is architecture for the ages... and the ages will be changing. Just because the world is filled with conservatives does not mean that in 10 years it will be. I HOPE it will finally feel safe enough to embrasse the avant-gard. The perterson/littenberg design is complete crap that is still holding on to 80's post-modernism. Foster, while avant-guard in the 80's is starting to show his style and is a bit dated. If you really want to build something innovative, like nothing in the world has been seen, you have to embrasse the design by "United Architects." While I agree that even Decon will be old by the time this is built... It would still be a step forward. On the other hand Matt, I know what you mean about your heros producing rubbish. Steven Holl's design always look like crap at first... it isn't until they are built that their beauty is seen. But I have to admit, that hope is thin on this design. In terms of what is appropriate, I think few, if any, can make the call. We are back to the issue of the Piramids at the Louvre... at a MUCH larger and emotional scale. [ December 23, 2002, 09:23 AM: Message edited by: Christopher Nichols ] __________________ Christopher P Nichols

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John Dollus Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Tampa Age: 38 Posts: 619 Name: John Dollus	I think they should start over. Several are quite impractical.

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ingo Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Hamburg, mostly harmless Posts: 642 Name: ingo M	Am i wrong or is this the second attempt already ? ingo __________________ ingo *** www.im-graphics.com

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