Application layer on Sets?

nisus · October 9th, 2003

Hi all,

Imho one cannot apply an application layer to a set in ps, yet I wanna know whether it's possible at all?

Maybe someone knows a turnaround for my problem. If you do, pls describe your technique.
I'll explain my problem a bit. Basicly I have the following setup (for a painted tree) in ps7:

SET - mask
- layer Screen*BM (not fully filled + overlapping)
- layer Multiply*BM (not fully filled + overlapping)
- layer Normal*BM (not fully filled + overlapping)
Layer

Now I want to be able to add an application layer to change the hue/sat of my 'SET' without changing the 'Layer' underneath.

Collapse all layers from the set to a single layer with an application layer won't work due to the fact that the multiply*BM layer darkens the original 'Layer'. When collapsed the latter won't work anymore.

So how do I change colors of the set at once?

rgds and tnx in advance.

nisus

wda · October 9th, 2003

Nisus,

I just ran through what you described. If you have a layer selected with in the the set and apply an adjustment layer, the effects are to the layer-s in the set, AND , to the layers below the set. BUT the set visibility and effects are independant. I checked this by turning off the set and layers with in. The view prior to the set being applied has not changed. I think this might resolve your problem???? To many hooks and ampersands in the logic -- if you know what I mean--, to explain it in well written consice english.

The 5 month old sons wailing, gotta go!!!!

rgrds
WDA

wda · October 9th, 2003

Nisus,

On closer review, you need to apply the adjustment layer, but in the new layer dialog box, check "group with previous layer". Locking the adjustments to that layer. You would need to do this to all of the layers in the set.

... thinking thats what you were looking to accomplish. It worked on the psd I tried, full range of color shift. BTW, was it application layer or adjustment layer?

I hope it helps you out

brgds
WDA

nisus · October 9th, 2003

Hi WDA,

I don't understand a word your saying. Can you explain it in plain English pls?

Idd I'm talking about adjustment layers...

nisus

Dibbers · October 9th, 2003

Yes, this is a tricky one. I think WDA id right. create identical adjustment layers above each layer in the set and 'clip' them (alt - click the deviding line between the layer and adjustment layer) to each layer.

The only other thing you could do, is duplicate the layer set and then flatten the duplicate set. Then create your adjustment layer clipped to this and temporary hide your original set.

Iether way, there will be some fiddling around.

nisus · October 9th, 2003

Hi all,

Tnx for your replies.

Quote:

create identical adjustment layers above each layer in the set and 'clip' them (alt - click the deviding line between the layer and adjustment layer) to each layer.

I use the CTRL+G shortcut to do the same thing. Unfortunately, I'm talking about +20 sets with over 20 layers per set...

Quote:

The only other thing you could do, is duplicate the layer set and then flatten the duplicate set. Then create your adjustment layer clipped to this and temporary hide your original set.

I tried this, but since some blending modes are 'multiply' this won't work. The multiply will work fine on the collapsed layer, but will NOT add to the layers underneath anymore. The result therefor is different from the original.

Imho Adobe should add the possibility to link an adjustment layer to a set much in the way that you can mask a set.

rgds

nisus

Dibbers · October 9th, 2003

Quote:

Imho Adobe should add the possibility to link an adjustment layer to a set much in the way that you can mask a set.

I couldn't agree more!

[ October 10, 2003, 02:23 AM: Message edited by: nisus ]

wda · October 10th, 2003

Nisus,

Sorry! Focused in on the procedure like a logic problem... if this fucntion & that function then the result only if... dribble!!!! huh!!!

I'm thinking it might be possible to use the 'actions' function. Set it up to go down the list of 20 sets? Not that far into ps 7 yet. It's been three years since working with any macros like this and that was approach d-base.

brgds
WDA

nisus · October 11th, 2003

Hi Ernest,

I know it's quite a large file, but that's because it's a huge environment I got to paint. Every tree has four layers, many trees and shrubbery to paint...
I could make things simpler by painting them on a few layers, but it's very hard to tweak individual coloring afterwards. Painting the trees in the correct color at once is very hard because I have to switch color settings to often. I prefer to paint everything in one color, tweaking things afterwards.
Adding correct shadow is also much harder since the overlap of different layers kills the need for tight selections. A huge time-saver I don't want to miss, since it takes a long time to finish at this moment allready.

Anyway, tnx for the thoughts

rgds

nisus

ps: I posted this thread on the adobe photoshop forum too... Maybe in ps9 (since ps8 will be shipping soon...)

nisus · October 11th, 2003

Hi all,

WOW! the Adobe forum is gooood!
Here is what they replied

Quote:

sandy johnson - 05:15am Oct 10, 2003 Pacific (#1 of 2)

Never tried to change a whole set like that, but there's an equally simple way. Ctrl+U gives you the Hue/Saturation dialog. You can change it on one layer and then click Ctrl+ALT+U to apply the same H&S settings to other layers.

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Photo Help - 06:06am Oct 10, 2003 Pacific (#2 of 2) Edited: 10-Oct-2003 at 06:08am PST

Just create your Adjustment Layer inside the layer set and above the layers in that set. Change the blend mode of the set from "Pass through" to "Normal".

rgs

nisus

btw: the latter tip really rocks!

October 9th, 2003	#1 (permalink)
nisus Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Gent Flanders Belgium Europe Age: 32 Posts: 3,276 Name: Evert Vandenberghe	Hi all, Imho one cannot apply an application layer to a set in ps, yet I wanna know whether it's possible at all? Maybe someone knows a turnaround for my problem. If you do, pls describe your technique. I'll explain my problem a bit. Basicly I have the following setup (for a painted tree) in ps7: SET - mask - layer ScreenBM (not fully filled + overlapping) - layer MultiplyBM (not fully filled + overlapping) - layer NormalBM (not fully filled + overlapping) Layer Now I want to be able to add an application layer to change the hue/sat of my 'SET' without changing the 'Layer' underneath. Collapse all layers from the set to a single layer with an application layer won't work due to the fact that the multiplyBM layer darkens the original 'Layer'. When collapsed the latter won't work anymore. So how do I change colors of the set at once? rgds and tnx in advance. nisus __________________ www.ams.be / www.nisusarts.com http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=nisusCGA&p=r

October 9th, 2003	#2 (permalink)
wda Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Dallas TX USA Age: 44 Posts: 1,021 Name: William Alexander	Nisus, I just ran through what you described. If you have a layer selected with in the the set and apply an adjustment layer, the effects are to the layer-s in the set, AND , to the layers below the set. BUT the set visibility and effects are independant. I checked this by turning off the set and layers with in. The view prior to the set being applied has not changed. I think this might resolve your problem???? To many hooks and ampersands in the logic -- if you know what I mean--, to explain it in well written consice english. The 5 month old sons wailing, gotta go!!!! rgrds WDA __________________ From the calm seas.... Into the CG Fire...... Into the Heart of Texas

October 9th, 2003	#3 (permalink)
wda Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Dallas TX USA Age: 44 Posts: 1,021 Name: William Alexander	Nisus, On closer review, you need to apply the adjustment layer, but in the new layer dialog box, check "group with previous layer". Locking the adjustments to that layer. You would need to do this to all of the layers in the set. ... thinking thats what you were looking to accomplish. It worked on the psd I tried, full range of color shift. BTW, was it application layer or adjustment layer? I hope it helps you out brgds WDA __________________ From the calm seas.... Into the CG Fire...... Into the Heart of Texas

October 9th, 2003	#4 (permalink)
nisus Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Gent Flanders Belgium Europe Age: 32 Posts: 3,276 Name: Evert Vandenberghe	Hi WDA, I don't understand a word your saying. Can you explain it in plain English pls? Idd I'm talking about adjustment layers... nisus __________________ www.ams.be / www.nisusarts.com http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=nisusCGA&p=r

October 9th, 2003	#5 (permalink)
Dibbers Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Leeds. UK Posts: 1,011 Name: Iain Denby	Yes, this is a tricky one. I think WDA id right. create identical adjustment layers above each layer in the set and 'clip' them (alt - click the deviding line between the layer and adjustment layer) to each layer. The only other thing you could do, is duplicate the layer set and then flatten the duplicate set. Then create your adjustment layer clipped to this and temporary hide your original set. Iether way, there will be some fiddling around. __________________ Hard boiled eggs and nuts....Mm! www.idenby.co.uk

October 10th, 2003	#8 (permalink)
wda Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Dallas TX USA Age: 44 Posts: 1,021 Name: William Alexander	Nisus, Sorry! Focused in on the procedure like a logic problem... if this fucntion & that function then the result only if... dribble!!!! huh!!! I'm thinking it might be possible to use the 'actions' function. Set it up to go down the list of 20 sets? Not that far into ps 7 yet. It's been three years since working with any macros like this and that was approach d-base. brgds WDA __________________ From the calm seas.... Into the CG Fire...... Into the Heart of Texas

October 11th, 2003	#9 (permalink)
nisus Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Gent Flanders Belgium Europe Age: 32 Posts: 3,276 Name: Evert Vandenberghe	Hi Ernest, I know it's quite a large file, but that's because it's a huge environment I got to paint. Every tree has four layers, many trees and shrubbery to paint... I could make things simpler by painting them on a few layers, but it's very hard to tweak individual coloring afterwards. Painting the trees in the correct color at once is very hard because I have to switch color settings to often. I prefer to paint everything in one color, tweaking things afterwards. Adding correct shadow is also much harder since the overlap of different layers kills the need for tight selections. A huge time-saver I don't want to miss, since it takes a long time to finish at this moment allready. Anyway, tnx for the thoughts rgds nisus ps: I posted this thread on the adobe photoshop forum too... Maybe in ps9 (since ps8 will be shipping soon...) __________________ www.ams.be / www.nisusarts.com http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=nisusCGA&p=r

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