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Old June 6th, 2008   #11 (permalink)
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Well then the original point is lost. If the idea isn't to create a price controlled system that can work, you're just talking about a way to organize outsourcing to suit your tastes - a glorified job board.

I'm not going to be the guy doing the modeling, but if such a system existed I'd send work its way. I'd use it if it had a simplified interface, good turn around time and good service. I'd need to be able to communicate with somebody during eastern US business hours. Sometimes I'd want to ask for somebody in Massachusetts if I want to meet in my office. If it were a good enough service I'd pay the $40.

If it's a job board for outsourcing, that's no more useful than things that already exist. Maybe you find the current system useful, you certainly seem able to take advantage of outsourcing and don't seem to care about whether people near you are working, but I think the point here isn't to help people who already enjoy outsourcing.
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My understanding is that Ernest needs a group of freelancers that he can count on to handle his over-flow work. He needs to be able to scale his production up and down depending on his sales. I think there are many other artists/companies that are in a similar situation.

I think this idea is not just a job board. It's more like a collaborative platform.

Also, if I didn't care whether or not "the people near me are working" then I don't think I would bother with this thread. The truth is that we all need to find new ways to work. Our industry is still young and nothing is etched in stone...
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Read the original post in the original thread.

Edit: Now that I re-read the original post in the original thread, it calls for a US-based operation.
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Actually when I started this thread, I wasn't trying to limit discussion to just a US-based idea. In fact, I was actively trying to separate out that loaded discussion from the larger one of creating a loose organization of modelers and renderers, and what the merits of that idea might be.

As I see it there are two potential ideas here that I feel are worth exploring. One is to create a more collaborative based community, an online place where people can gather to team up on a project by project basis. The other would be in a sense a more freelance-based 'job board' (if you want to use that term) but one that I think would need to be more centrally controlled, so that guarantees could be made to clients for, as was mentioned, good turn around time and good service.

Of course both of those ideas are not mutually exclusive. And as Ernest has pointed out, back in the dark days of 1991, when work totally dried up in New York City, The New York Society of Renderers (NYSR) was such a community (though not then online) where people threw work at each other when they needed help. A little different than what I mention above, but it's certainly one such idea of renderers working together.
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I think if we can get all freelancers globally to agree on one certain price, then none of us are losing anything, no matter where they are. We may also need some sort of site up for that as well,which I think we should all just pitch in a few bucks and put up a really nice one, we need someone to moderate the site and jobs, its a lot to do, but if you guys are willing then I am deff. in
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I think if we can get all freelancers globally to agree on one certain price, then none of us are losing anything
This is the best idea I've heard, didn't architectural firms have something similar back in the day?
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Thanks Devin, So I guess now is the time to chime in guys. I do believe this could work, but everyone has to do their part.

So how about it guys, who's in?
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I like the sound of it, I need work and I'm happy to do bits and pieces if it filles up the holes in my schedule...


But im in aus...
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"I think if we can get all freelancers globally to agree on one certain price, then none of us are losing anything, no matter where they are."

Can anyone say "anti-trust"?

that said an independent vetting agency that guaranteed a certain monetary amount to the artist and in return made sure that the artist was using legal software, would go a long way towards levelling the world's playing field, and be a good deal for independent artists, and their patrons, everywhere.
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It wouldn't be an illegal trust because there would still be a lot of companies not participating; the collective would still have to compete on the merits of superior service. If it's possible for that to cause a broader shift in pricing policies, so be it, still legal.
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