Where is the bussiness?

archkre · August 26th, 2003

One has the blessing of having orders for 4 different houses (of around
sq.ft.3,000 each) still CG renderings for different clients.
From the first conversation with the client untill the final payment no less than
one week in the best scenario.
So, with a little luck,one can finish 4 houses in one month and let's say we
billed $1,000 per house, so we made $4.000 less expenses.
But if next month you receive 5 or more works, your bussiness starts to get
complicated: what to do?
You can work as a convict trying to fullfill with everything, or hire somebody.
Always remember the old saying:" Hire slowly, fire fast"!
If you hire somebody qualified, your profit will decrease unless you exploit the
person.
If you hire a rookie, you are going to do worse ,devoting your time to train the
kid, taking the time from what you are doing.
A complete disaster!
Needless to say, according to this line of thinking the possibilities of making $$$ and the
old :"practice & progress" in this activity is extremely limited, or as the
economists say "it has a very low plafond".
I wish am wrong, maybe you have other formulae which I ignore!
May the forces of nature enlighten your ways!
I would like to know Mr. Wright's ideas on this topic!
Thank you

archkre · August 26th, 2003

Many reasons are contributing to drop prices down
at least in South Florida:
* Thousands of immigrant Architects from foreign countries drag the price
down, accepting anything for a job.
** Outsourcing the renderings and animations over the Internet.
I've heard of very well known Arch's ordering not only viz-work, but complete working drawing sets for projects within U.S.to offices in India, Pakistan,etc., and paying $0.25 per hour!
Is this enough for you or I have to go on...?

archkre · August 26th, 2003

And in the midtime go on discussing escencial issues as "Vray vs fR", "Brazil vs MentalRay",
"bokkeh effect and its incidence in paying my
credit card bills","SSS and caustics for keeping us out of the economic crisis US is going thru"...

camby · August 26th, 2003

:???:

kunstraum.tv · August 26th, 2003

"SSS and caustics for keeping us out of the economic crisis US is going thru"...

hehe, come to germany and you will get an impression what "economic crisis" really means

after several "fat" years everything goes down. especially for architects orangecry

Sawyer · August 26th, 2003

Seems like a set up but I will bite:

If you have 4 jobs and only have time to do 4 only take 4 jobs or work more. If you keep getting more work raise your prices. Hiring people is a huge deal and I imagine it would be a last resort.

Ultimatly I cannot tell if you point is to try & point out how foolish we are for doing the work we are doing or feeling sorry for yourself that you aren't making more money.

Tony · August 26th, 2003

Why do members continue to reply to this persons posts. It is obviously a waiste of time.

ingo · August 26th, 2003

I think Jeff should make an archkre-section and make it read only :ebiggrin: :ngesleep:

jucaro · August 26th, 2003

Give the man some prozac

archkre · August 27th, 2003

Sawyer/Tony/Ingo/Jucaro:
All kidding aside, please tell me what part of my original post/comment
you did not agree with , or you didn't understand.
And specifically what part of it deserves such a disqualifiying language from you?
Appreciatte your intellectual height!

August 26th, 2003	#1 (permalink)
archkre Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Buenos Aires ,Argentina Posts: 496 Name: Daniel Kreimer	One has the blessing of having orders for 4 different houses (of around sq.ft.3,000 each) still CG renderings for different clients. From the first conversation with the client untill the final payment no less than one week in the best scenario. So, with a little luck,one can finish 4 houses in one month and let's say we billed $1,000 per house, so we made $4.000 less expenses. But if next month you receive 5 or more works, your bussiness starts to get complicated: what to do? You can work as a convict trying to fullfill with everything, or hire somebody. Always remember the old saying:" Hire slowly, fire fast"! If you hire somebody qualified, your profit will decrease unless you exploit the person. If you hire a rookie, you are going to do worse ,devoting your time to train the kid, taking the time from what you are doing. A complete disaster! Needless to say, according to this line of thinking the possibilities of making $$$ and the old :"practice & progress" in this activity is extremely limited, or as the economists say "it has a very low plafond". I wish am wrong, maybe you have other formulae which I ignore! May the forces of nature enlighten your ways! I would like to know Mr. Wright's ideas on this topic! Thank you __________________ 'Back in the young fatherland'

August 26th, 2003	#2 (permalink)
archkre Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Buenos Aires ,Argentina Posts: 496 Name: Daniel Kreimer	Many reasons are contributing to drop prices down at least in South Florida: * Thousands of immigrant Architects from foreign countries drag the price down, accepting anything for a job. ** Outsourcing the renderings and animations over the Internet. I've heard of very well known Arch's ordering not only viz-work, but complete working drawing sets for projects within U.S.to offices in India, Pakistan,etc., and paying $0.25 per hour! Is this enough for you or I have to go on...? __________________ 'Back in the young fatherland'

August 26th, 2003	#3 (permalink)
archkre Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Buenos Aires ,Argentina Posts: 496 Name: Daniel Kreimer	And in the midtime go on discussing escencial issues as "Vray vs fR", "Brazil vs MentalRay", "bokkeh effect and its incidence in paying my credit card bills","SSS and caustics for keeping us out of the economic crisis US is going thru"... __________________ 'Back in the young fatherland'

August 26th, 2003	#5 (permalink)
kunstraum.tv Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Berlin, Germany Age: 35 Posts: 181 Name: Marc Gruber-Laux	"SSS and caustics for keeping us out of the economic crisis US is going thru"... hehe, come to germany and you will get an impression what "economic crisis" really means after several "fat" years everything goes down. especially for architects orangecry __________________ www.purerender.com architecture. vision. emotion

August 26th, 2003	#6 (permalink)
Sawyer Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: CA Age: 34 Posts: 1,563 Name: Sawyer Fischer	Seems like a set up but I will bite: If you have 4 jobs and only have time to do 4 only take 4 jobs or work more. If you keep getting more work raise your prices. Hiring people is a huge deal and I imagine it would be a last resort. Ultimatly I cannot tell if you point is to try & point out how foolish we are for doing the work we are doing or feeling sorry for yourself that you aren't making more money. __________________ And you may ask yourself What is that beautiful house?

August 26th, 2003	#4 (permalink)
camby Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: USA Posts: 68 Name: Mike Campbell	:???:

August 26th, 2003	#7 (permalink)
Tony Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 299 Name: Tony Richardson	Why do members continue to reply to this persons posts. It is obviously a waiste of time.

August 26th, 2003	#8 (permalink)
ingo Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Hamburg, mostly harmless Posts: 642 Name: ingo M	I think Jeff should make an archkre-section and make it read only :ebiggrin: :ngesleep: __________________ ingo *** www.im-graphics.com

August 26th, 2003	#9 (permalink)
jucaro Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Singapore Age: 32 Posts: 612 Name: Juan Carlos Rosalejos	Give the man some prozac __________________ MD8 Design Solutions X3MFX Interactive Design Agency DE MAX Design PTE LTD

August 27th, 2003	#10 (permalink)
archkre Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Buenos Aires ,Argentina Posts: 496 Name: Daniel Kreimer	Sawyer/Tony/Ingo/Jucaro: All kidding aside, please tell me what part of my original post/comment you did not agree with , or you didn't understand. And specifically what part of it deserves such a disqualifiying language from you? Appreciatte your intellectual height! __________________ 'Back in the young fatherland'

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